Jourdan Dunn

“I got scouted when I was 14—a long time ago. At the beginning there were a lot of things that happened that I didn’t expect. Like, me walking for Prada. It was such a big moment, and at the time I didn’t really know what was going on, but afterwards it was such a big thing and it was in the newspapers, like ‘First Black Model!’ Then the Italian Vogue all-black issue—that was crazy to be a part of! The things that I put out into the universe, that I said I wanted were a Vogue cover, and I wanted to be in Victoria’s Secret, and I wanted a Maybelline contract. I never said ‘a beauty contract,’ I always said ‘Maybelline.’ When I got my first British Vogue cover and when I first started working with Maybelline, I was overwhelmed and crying with happiness and joy. It’s crazy because you start seeing it everywhere. I’ll go to Boots and there’s me, Super Drug, there’s me, airport, there’s me. It’s like, ‘Ah!’ Whenever I’m out with my son and people come up to me and ask me if I’m Jourdan Dunn, I’ll be like, ‘No.’ But he’s like, ‘Yes you are, mum!’ One time he said it in front of someone! When I won Model of the Year, he was like, ‘See, mummy, you are a model, see?’ He kind of takes the mick out of me. He doesn’t understand why I deny it sometimes.

I’m really excited for 2016 because I’m going to be launching my kid’s clothing line, and that’s been another surreal moment. This has been in talks for two years and now having meetings and seeing samples and picking models is crazy! I had a meeting today for my cookbook! I’m so excited for that. I would love for someone to be like, ‘Yeah, that’s my go-to!’ Of course, if I could chill in my pajamas and loungewear all day, I would. My son and I are very low-key and relaxed.

My beauty routine actually hasn’t really changed since I had my son. If anything it’s probably become more intense. I remember the first day I got back home from the hospital [after giving birth]—I woke up in the morning and I did my face and my mum was like, ‘Jourdan, what are you doing? Just relax!’ I have a routine of taking my son to school and traveling and all of that, and it just gets more intense, so I make sure that the products that I use are very hydrating for my skin. Skincare is what burns my pocket because I see new things and I’m like, ‘Ooo! Gotta buy it!’

In my first season, we were backstage at the shows and they would ask me what my skin regimen was because I had amazing skin. I would be like, ‘Oh, I just use Clean & Clear face wash,’ and they were like, ‘Clean & Clear?’ I used that up until I was 19 and then I got my first taste of luxury skincare, which was Crème de La Mer. I got it in a gift bag and my mum joked, ‘Yeah, now you’re going to have to keep on doing this, so we can get this stuff!’ I got my routine from her—she was always big on looking after your skin and making sure you take your makeup off and drink water.

I like to change which products I use from day to night because I feel like you need different things to protect your skin in the daytime, when you’re outside. Then when I’m at home at night, it’s all about care and hydration. In the morning I’ve been playing with a bunch of different cleansers—I used to really love foaming cleansers, but lately I’ve been trying oils and balms. Now I’m using Emma Hardie Cleansing Balm, which is really good and just melts on the skin. When I run out of that I run down to the kitchen and just use coconut oil. Then I use my toner, which is Pixi Glow Tonic. Cult Beauty’s blog raved about it and Caroline Hirons’ raved about it, so I was like, ‘I’ve got to try it!’ Now I’m hooked! I just love the feeling that it leaves on my skin. It exfoliates as well, so I feel like it’s really doing its job.

Straight after that, I use my SK-II Essence. It’s one of my favorite brands to use. I found it on a trip to Tokyo when I tried the sheet mask. In Tokyo, their skincare regimen is next level and I was so intrigued that they had 11 steps. So after I use my toner, I use the essence and I feel like it just works together with everything. Then I use a vitamin C serum…right now it’s Ren. It just adds extra vibrancy to the skin, like a booster to brighten up your complexion. When I’m traveling on planes a lot, my skin can look really tired and dull, so I like to add vitamin C in to fix that. After that, I use Good Genes by Sunday Riley as a second serum. You can do it as a treatment mask, but I can’t really handle the burning sensation on my face. I tried it once and it did make my skin look and feel amazing though. My moisturizer to top it all off is Zelens’ [Hydro-Shiso] Balancing Moisturizer. It’s light and gives a nice finish.

There are so many masks I like—particularly SK-II’s sheet mask and Sisley’s Rose Mask. It’s more like a lotion you leave on and wipe off whatever doesn’t absorb. It’s supposed to plump your skin, so I use it on the plane. There’s also my Ling Oxygen Recovery Mask…that’s another hydrating one. With my masks, it’s all about hydrating.

For facials, I go see Debbie [Thomas] in London. I don’t know what she does to my skin, but she always makes it look on point. She uses lasers to even out my skin tone. Also, I’m quite hairy and I had a lot of hair on my face. [Laughs] It’s true! But I’m not anymore because of Debbie. My son the other day was like, ‘Mummy, why do you have a mustache?’ We were in a car! I was like, ‘Why are you talking?’ When I’m [in New York], I go to Ling and do a full cleanse or an oxygen facial or peel.

I didn’t really wear that much makeup growing up, but what my mum did allow me to wear was mascara and it was Maybelline Great Lash, which was my first. It’s stuck in my mind because of the pink and green. Now when I’m not working, I don’t wear any makeup because my job makes me wear makeup all the time. When I’m at home chillin’ I just want to have a nice, clean, fresh face.

When I’m going out, I feel like if you have a good base then you’re pretty much good to go, and then put on some mascara. Everybody now is obsessed with contour, so I’ve been trying it out–just subtly. I love that Maybelline has come out with the contouring palette where it shows you the highlight and shade and everything.

One of my favorite things to do myself is eyes. I really like to take the time in the daytime to emphasize my lashes to make them look fuller. I have extensions right now because I’m on holiday and I don’t want to think about putting anything on. But when I don’t have them, I love the Lash Sensational.

Girls have gotten so good at makeup because of blogs and Instagram. I see so many normal people just doing their everyday makeup and I think, ‘Oh, I could do that—I want to look like that.’ I used to think I was pretty good, but now I don’t think I am anymore! Everyone’s surpassed me. When I do get it right, I’m like, ‘Yes, Jourdan! You look good!’ But then there’s some days where I’m so over it—like if I get the base too dark or too light. It’s hard with darker skin tones, obviously. I use my Dream Velvet Foundation because it’s really hydrating, and then I use my concealer. I’ve just now started using powders because it sets it. Traditional foundation and concealer works better than BB cream for me.

With lip colors, I’m all about dark reds or a dark purple. Possessed Plum and Divine Wine are my favorites. I like mattes—and lips are much easier for me to do than eyeshadoes. But with the Nudes and the Rock Nudes, it shows you where to put the colors and which ones go together, so that helps. I like playing around with that, but I do like more natural tones, like browns and blacks.

I cut my hair about a year ago. My agency wanted me to change my hairstyle for a while, but because it was my agency telling me to do it, I didn’t want to do it. My hairstylist is Renda Attia and she’s based in the UK. She’s been wanting me to change up my style for the longest time! It was just long, middle part, dead straight. I wear wigs because it got to the point where my hair was so damaged from work—I remember I was at her salon and she was like, ‘Jourdan, I’m not putting these clips back in your hair, you have no hairline and it’s going to get to the point where you’re going to have no hair, and I’m not going to be held responsible for it.’ We talked about having it in a bob and different bob ideas. It was a fun process. I’m protecting my hair, but at the same time playing with what kind of style I want to do. I have so many wigs now! I have a blue wig, a purple wig, I have long, bob, medium–it’s fun!

My natural hair is just braided now, so I go see my hairstylist every month to take the braids out, wash it, and treat it. On my wigs, use this hair shine–Phyto Subtil Elixir–to protect my hair from heat. I’ll spray that on and then straighten it so it doesn’t look all frizzy. It locks in the moisture. I’m good at straightening, but when it comes to adding waves and all that stuff, I literally send my wigs to my hairstylist and she’ll wash it, treat it, curl it and then send it back to me and boom, got a new ‘do. My hair has grown so much and it’s so strong and healthy, so I kind of don’t want to [let anyone touch it], but when I take my braids out I’m like, ‘Oh my god, that’s actually my hair!’ I think I want to continue to protect it. Maybe in the summer I’ll rock my natural hair.

I’m such rubbish at working out even though I have a trainer and a gym downstairs and cute little workout outfits. But I don’t do it like I should. I’ll be obsessed with it for a month or a week or whatever, but then I just won’t do anything. On my body, I’m simple and use Nivea and Fresh Brown Sugar Body Polish. Then I always have basics like cocoa butter because my skin is quite dry. I use it right after shower. I also like to use an oil this time of year to really lock in moisture.

I’ve always had a really good relationship with food. I do have my days where I crave fried chicken and I’ll eat that fried chicken, or like today, I had mac’n’cheese and steak. But generally I love eating my veg. I think it’s important for me and, because I have a son, to introduce that to him as well. It’s all about putting goodness into your body.”

—as told to ITG

Jourdan Dunn photographed by Tom Newton in New York on December 18, 2015.

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Amanda Shine, Founder, The Setting

“I moved to New York when I was 17 to model—I actually grew up as a local in Southampton. Right when I was signed there were a lot of jokes that I needed some…finesse with my look. I was a surfer so my hair needed some love, things like that. They sent me to Julien Farel on Madison and I would sit there to do hair treatments for hours. They’d give me all sorts of products to use to get my hair in shape. Back in the apartment, I’d even take an egg and olive oil and coat my hair in it, then wrap it in Saran Wrap. When I booked a Pantene job, they cut 11 inches or something off, and my agent was so happy because my ends were finally gone! [Laughs] I remember it was at this Japanese studio in a nondescript building in Chelsea, and he just cut the whole thing dry—this Japanese guy with like a Samurai sword. I was like, ‘Is this life? Like, where is my hair?’

When I turned 22, I made the abrupt transition to do something else. It was such an intense world and I needed to leave it behind. It was hard—I didn’t have a college degree or a resumé so I really had to dig in. I started interning in windowless fashion closets, getting exposure, and then I transitioned into event planning. I did special events with Gucci and brand partnerships with Everlane, which really inspired me to do what I’m doing now—my line of handmade ceramic products that I’m making myself, called The Setting.

I’ve always erred more on the tomboyish side, but I think as I’ve gotten older—I’m 28—I’ve started to look at beauty as a way to be nice to myself. It’s less about being social or superficial. Working with clay is so drying, so everything I do now is about moisturizing and investing in that process. My boyfriend’s mom gave me a tub of Kiehl’s Creme de Corps and that just started me on a tear… I go through so much of it now. And hand cream! Lots and lots of hand cream after working with clay all day.

Cleansing is where I’m most basic. For my rosacea, I use Avène Antirougeurs Redness Relief Dermo-Cleansing Milk with my Clarisonic. It’s this blue-green color and I think it’s the same as the La Mer Cleanser but about an eighth of the price. For exfoliating, I love the Nivea Gommage Lissant—it’s drugstore but I got it in St. Barths so it feels very French to me. Nivea is one of the brands that always works, no matter where I get it. If I’m wearing a lot of makeup, I love the Klorane Floral Water Makeup Remover. It’s very gentle.

As far as toning, I get very into sprays and mists—that’s what I do probably the most often to stay moisturized. It’s really good for when I come home from the studio and feel dry but don’t want to reset everything on my face. I have the Glossier Soothing Face Mist, the Avène Eau Thermale, the May Lindstrom Jasmine Garden Botanical Mist… Every time I go into a place like CAP Beauty, they show me a new one. But I use them all! I’m basically out of the Caudalíe Beauty Elixir. Then I have the Chanel Silky Soothing Toner, which is a little more astringent, so I can’t use it every day.

My friend got me the tub of Aztec Clay but my skin is so sensitive, I can’t even do it for 10 minutes. After eight, I’m like ‘OK! Get it off!’ But I love it because it’s so powerful. There’s also Dr. Dennis Gross Ferulic Acid and Retinol Brightening Solution, which is basically like retinol—you’re not supposed to use it all the time, though. I bought it because I know so many people that love this brand, and it’s like a clean brand while still being pretty scientifically advanced. But again, it’s strong—I wouldn’t use it during the day. I put it on maybe once a month and only at night.

My all-purpose oil is the Caudalíe Divine Oil. I use it on my face, hair, body, scalp—it’s heavy but it feels right during the winter. I also have the original Crème de la Mer. Some people are like, ‘I can’t use that in the summer…’ I’m like, ‘I can use it all year round. Twice a day. Morning and night.’ I love this Kiehl’s Creamy Eye Treatment with Avocado, too. It’s so nice, I’ve been using it for years. My routine is essentially, ‘If it’s not broken, don’t fix it.’

My lipstick is like my security blanket a lot of the time. I feel like, with lipstick, I don’t need anything else. My friend works at Tom Ford and whenever I see him, he brings me one of the mini Lips & Boys lipsticks—it’s always a funny little surprise. My most used one though is Charlotte Tilbury Matte Revolution Lipstick in Very Victoria. I actually didn’t pick it out for myself either… I was in Selfridges with someone I worked with and she picked it up and said, ‘This color I think would be really nice on you.’ I was trying to be a woman but I thought it was too mature for me anyway. But then I put it on, and if you just do one layer of it, I feel like it just darkens your lip a little, plus it’s moisturizing. Her products are beautiful—I have the Charlotte Tilbury Light Wonder, too. It’s a ‘daily luminous tint’ with SPF 15 in it that takes your natural skin and puts like a very light sheen on top of it. I’ll still do a highlighter on top of that—Benefit Watt’s Up. It fits right in the crook of your face. One time, I put it on and went out and took a photo, and it looked like I had a UFO ring under both eyes. I was like, ‘Whoa, that’s when happens when you don’t blend it in…’

I just started playing around with liquid eyeliner. I bought the Chanel Stylo Eyeliner Pen in Noir after I saw this woman on the street with the perfect little flick. She was in shopping mode, so I stopped her and said, ‘I’m so sorry, I need to ask you like a) what that product is and b) is it hard to do it?’ And she was so nice! She walked me through a tutorial. My mascara is also Chanel—it’s got a rubbery brush. But I also have Diorshow, and I was using the Givenchy one for a while. It’s the packaging that draws me in to all of them.

My brows are huge and the only thing I’ll use on them is the Bobbi Brown Brow Pencil. Other than that, I’ve never known what to do about them. Part of it has to be because one time when I was younger—and I think every girl has a horror story about this—I took a razor and tried to clean them up. I shaved half of the end off and a girl at school told me, ‘You know, they don’t always come back…’ I was so horrified.

Right now, my hair is the longest it’s been in years. I wash it every five days consistently with Garnier Fructis Sleek and Shine for ‘frizzy, dry, and unmanageable’ hair, so it’s made for me. To condition, I use the Kiehl’s Olive Fruit Oil Deeply Repairative Hair Pak. Actually, to wash my hair, I’ve been going to Drybar more frequently, especially when it’s cold and I don’t want to let it dry on its own. So I’ll go once a week—it’s $49 plus tip, which I don’t think is that bad. Blowout’s the new manicure.

When I first started modeling, I was doing a lot of Pilates and yoga to sculpt because I was a broader girl. Now one of the biggest benefits of starting The Setting—outside of all of the creative and professional rewards of doing something for yourself and on your own—would be my ability to create my own schedule. And I am somebody who works late at night and gets up early and writes emails, but I can still go for a workout class at 9:30am if I want to. It’s so nice, and it also makes me work even harder, because I really now believe in being strategic with my time and my energy and being as efficient as possible. Now I go to Modelfit on Bowery, and I sometimes train one-on-one with Noosha who’s amazing. Don’t let her beautiful face fool you—she is extremely hard. I do that three to four times a week, and then I also do Pilates at Plank. It’s beautiful and I work mostly on the tower. Then when I get home and shower, I use Aveeno Body Wash Stress Relief, which I love.

Obviously Santal 33 is my jam. And then I used to work at Bond No. 9 when I first moved to New York, and it’s so funny because Laurice Rahme, who’s the founder, hired me because of my handwriting. I didn’t have a college degree and I was interning and had just left modeling, and so she was just like, ‘Who are you..?’ So I did a handwriting test for her, and she was a really cool person to be around, and I would just watch how she ran her business. I would do a lot of customer relations for her and a lot of gift-wrapping… Their Nuits de NoHo fragrance is the one I love. It’s a really nice sort of nighttime scent with jasmine. It’s strong, but it’s also so simple. I also like to wear this oil from a boutique called Warm—the oil is called Warm, too. The owner is from Hawaii and when you put it on, you feel that.

A lot of the times, I’ll just use essential oils. I have a Muji diffuser in my bedroom that I’ll use every day with whatever I’m feeling. And then sometimes I’ll put a few drops in the bath. My go-tos are sandalwood, jasmine, and neroli. Together I just feel like it’s a bit of a moodlifter. Everyone has a mixture that they like, I feel. And I think it’s nice to get back to basics and smell things that are pure and raw.”

—as told to ITG

Amanda Shine photographed by Tom Newton at her home in New York on October 8, 2015. 

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Bobbi Brown

“I didn’t know I wanted to be a makeup artist until I went to college. Well, I went to three colleges. I graduated high school a semester early, went to University of Wisconsin, and then I went to University of Arizona, because that’s where all the Jewish kids went. After that, I transferred to Emerson College in Boston where I studied Theatrical Makeup and minored in Photography. And so I finished school there and stayed for a year and waitressed, and then I moved to New York. You know, the old story is I didn’t know anyone, but I picked up a Yellow Pages, and looked up models and agencies, and eventually I figured out how to become a makeup artist in fashion. I thought I was going to do makeup for movies, actually. But I did one movie—it was about teenage alcoholism, this kid kept getting bruised, so I had to do continuity shots. It was deadly for me to be focused on the same thing all the time. And I hated having the food all over the place while we would just sit there and wait! So that’s how I decided not to go into the movie business.

My first magazine actually was Vogue Advertising. I met some woman and she asked, ‘Can you do hair and makeup?’ And I said, ‘Oh yes.’ So I went to the store and bought every hair product I could think of—I do not know how to do hair. On the day of the shoot, the model showed up and she had this short hair. I was really lucky, because I would have been screwed! Buying expensive products or buying all the products doesn’t make you an expert. I thought that if you went to Bergdorf Goodman and bought the most expensive products that they would be the best. With the help of my dad—he gave me his credit card—I went and bought all this stuff. I got home, opened up all these beautiful boxes, and it looked awful. At the time, the style was like white skin, red lips, contouring…and I hated the way it looked. I wanted to do more natural-looking makeup. But I couldn’t find makeup that allowed me to do it easily. I would also go to theatrical makeup stores and buy Ben Nye foundation that was yellow and orange and red in order to fix the regular makeup I had. At some point, I discovered a yellow powder that actually fixed everything. To be honest, I wasn’t really a great makeup artist—I wasn’t one of these makeup artists who could transform a face. I just always had shortcuts to make things work because I loved it so much.

I did that for seven years until I reached my big goal, which was a Vogue cover. It was Naomi Campbell’s first cover, too. That same year, I got engaged. I was 30 and I realized because I was so happily in love with my husband that I really didn’t want to be a freelance traveling makeup artist anymore. So I kind of stopped doing those trips, I got pregnant, we moved to the suburbs in New Jersey…and I just got this idea. As a makeup artist, in order to prep for a shoot, I would have to literally lug bags and bags of stuff. Then I would lay it out on the floor and try to organize it and see, there’s 15 taupes! But you just need one. At that point, no one had done a great collection of edited, natural-looking makeup. Lipstick that just looked like lips didn’t exist. And one day, serendipitously, I met a chemist and I asked him to make me this lipstick I had been thinking of. I told him, I want to make the best red, the best orange, the best beige—and we did.

After we had produced a pretty small batch, I talked to a friend of mine who was a beauty editor at Mademoiselle, and she said, ‘Can I write about it?’ I thought, Why would you want to write about it? Now I know it’s called PR and Marketing. [Laughs] She did the story and we started getting phone calls. My husband would take the lipstick, put it in a manila envelope with a little sheet of paper with the ingredients and mail it to people. Then a friend of mine invited me to a party and I asked the hostess, ‘What do you do?’ She was a cosmetics buyer at Bergdorfs—so I pitched her. They were the first store to pick up the line.

We were in Bergdorfs and Neiman Marcus for four years when Leonard Lauder [then-Chief Executive at Estée Lauder] called. We weren’t for sale. But when he said, ‘What if I promised you that you could have total autonomy and do what’s important to you, which is raise your family, and do the fun things…’ I believed him. So we sold it! It’s been worth it 150%. We’ve been an Estée Lauder brand probably 21 years, and you know, just like any business, there’s good, bad and ugly, and tough, easy, great, but… if Mrs. Greenblatt from third grade, who gave me really bad grades in math, could see it, I’d be happy!

My number one favorite product—if I could only have one thing—would be Extra Balm. If I was that kind of a marketer I would call it youth in a jar. Because it’s like a miracle. And I really don’t like the term ‘ageless,’ but that’s not how I think of it. I’m much more about making sure that everyone has really good, even skin. I’m actually completely obsessed with a new product that’s not mine called the NuFace. It’s a handheld microcurrent tool that helps lift your face where you have signs of aging. It’s unbelievable and it works. I haven’t tried this yet, but someone I work with told me it works on hands, too. It’s great because I’m not somebody who believes in injectables at all. I think they make you look like you’ve injected something. Like, when do you stop? Where’s the line?

At night, I wash my face at night with Soothing Cleansing Oil, and I just rinse it off with water. It’s nice because if I’m too tired to put moisturizer on, I just don’t have to—the oil leaves a nice cushion. If my skin is super dry, I’ll put the Extra Balm on and I’ll put oil on top of it—I’ll layer. I don’t have to wash it off [in the morning], it’s just gone somewhere. But I’ll probably put on more moisturizer again.

We just launched masks and they’re awesome. I love the way they kind of crinkle in their tubes… You can either do them separately or you can do all three of them. Everyone’s nuts for Instant Detox, which is black and has Hawaiian sea water and clay. I love Skin Nourish, which is super moisturizing. I use it with the NuFace and barely have to wash it off when I’m done. And then there’s the Radiance Boost, too, which has walnut grains in it. It’s a scrub.

I almost always do my own makeup and never in the bathroom—I usually do it in the car. If I don’t do it in the car I do it at work. Sometimes I do it during the product development meetings. But whatever I do, I could do it without a mirror. There are different schools of thought on this, but I start with our Concealer and Corrector first because after that, I don’t necessarily need foundation. I use the shade that matches my skin exactly, which is Natural Tan. Then I have these products called Retouching—there’s a pencil and a powder—that literally make you look like you’ve been retouched. There’s six shades and it just evens things out, but you don’t look like you have any makeup on. I’ll draw the stick directly onto my skin, over my whole face. I don’t use a primer. I don’t like how they feel.

Our number one selling product is Long-Wear Gel Eyeliner, which is a product category I 100% made up, from the name to the packaging. It all happened because I was in Telluride, Colorado, and someone was coming to shoot me for Architectural Digest. I went to do my makeup. And I opened my bag and realized, I have no eyeshadow, I have no brushes…but I have mascara! So I put mascara on, and because I wasn’t 22 anymore, I needed something else. When you get to a certain age, your eye shape is different. I feel like I need more to make me look awake. So I had this one waterproof mascara and I took a Q-tip, took off the fuzzy stuff, dipped it in the mascara, and I lined my eye. It worked so well! I did the shoot, and it was still on my eyes the next day because I had no eye makeup remover. So I called my head of product development, and I said, ‘Can you do me a favor and ask the lab if I did something really bad?’ She called back and said, ‘No, they said it’s OK because it has a gel base.’ Visually, I was thinking about what gel was, and I had this little inkwell on my desk that we’d been trying to turn into a product. I called her and said, ‘What if we pour this in to that inkwell, and what if we call it Gel Ink?’ And that’s how we discovered gel eyeliner.

In terms of color makeup, I think browns are the easiest for people to wear—but there are different types of brown. Personally, I like cool browns, but that doesn’t work for everyone. For instance, I have a bronzer that looks like the later afternoon sun in Telluride that I wear. But I had to make a special bronzer for my Rabbi’s daughter because she’s so white-skinned. It’s Aruba, and it’s kind of peachy for pale skin. Blush is also one of those things that you need to find your right color—and then it’s like a miracle. To find it, you pinch your cheeks and then look to match that. Mine is Sand Pink in the powder. I’ll usually switch to our Pot Rouge at the end of the day though, because it reminds me of my grandmother putting lipstick on her cheeks.

I usually don’t put anything on my lips. Instead of doing a lip if I’m going to an event, I’ll do a smoky eye with lots of sparkle—not shimmer. The difference is they’re bigger particles that are flat cut, and so they just look so cool. I always use three shadows—Brown Metal, Rock Star, and Slate. And then Gel Eyeliner in Black Ink and some Eye Opening Mascara.

My secret is that I have a big jar of Extra Balm from the lab that I use on my body. I’m not sure what that would cost, but it’s amazing. Or I’ll use this incredible-smelling body wash from Spain called Magno. When I take a bath, I love epsom salts, but they dry my skin out, so I scoop a ton of coconut oil into the bath too. I’ll just hang out in the tub and watch CNN. But God forbid you ever shave your legs in a coconut oil bath… You get such a bad ring around the tub that way. I shave my legs in the shower with our old Bobbi Brown Shaving Cream. It was discontinued but we’re bringing it back soon.

That’s the one thing where I don’t always wear my own. I wear Chanel No. 5 and Cristalle. The one in my brand I wear the most is Bobbi’s Party. It smells like Aunt Alice. I remember my Aunt Alice from Chicago… When she would get dressed up and go to a party, that’s what it smells like. And she loves it! She used to wear an old fashioned fragrance called Je Reviens… I’ve tried to buy it on the internet but they don’t make it anymore so it goes bad. And there’s a Tom Ford that I wear—Neroli Portofino. I mix it with patchouli and grapefruit and that makes a great combination.

I really love Oribe’s products. He actually did my hair for my wedding, but his products are amazing. I like to switch my shampoos in and out, so I also use Bumble and bumble. Right now my hair’s super, super dry, so I’m trying to hydrate it. I just found a conditioner called Olaplex, which is really good because I color my hair every two weeks. My hair is 100% white, and I’ve been grey since I was 25. Because of it, my hair is thinner than it used to be. To cover my roots or make my part look thicker, I use the Gel Eyeliner in Brown or the Natural Brow Shaper and Hair Touch Up when I need to. I find those easier than root sprays. And light goes right through powder—that’s why I hate HD!

So unlike how I do my makeup, I can’t do my own hair. I wash it almost everyday because I exercise everyday, and then I probably get it blown out three times a week. And I always feel so much better after that. I would love to be able to curl my own hair to get a wave, but I just can’t figure it out. I have a hundred curling irons—I have every one from Harry Josh to mini ones I buy at CVS. My friend got me one from QVC that you clip onto your hair and it rotates by itself. It’s cool but I totally had my hair stuck on this thing. I had to call my husband to get out of it!”

—as told to ITG

Bobbi Brown photographed by Tom Newton at her home in New Jersey on January 20, 2016.

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Claire Knebl, Managing Editor, Glossier

“One of my favorite things about our office is the beauty closet. It’s where we keep all of the products that come into the office for shoots or to test. We also have a bunch of old props in there… One time we were going to do a story on how to work out at your desk, so I ordered this giant exercise ball that comes on wheels—the bouncy ball version of a desk chair—but it ended up being way too low for my desk. ‘Into The Closet’ could be our new site name. [Laughs] Back when we didn’t have enough conference rooms, sometimes I’d take calls in the closet, which I don’t have to do anymore. I live in Brooklyn so if I go to pilates in Manhattan in the morning, I’ll get ready in there. Or if I’m going out to dinner or whatever after work, I’ll get ready in there, too.

Before it was my job to think about beauty, I had a much more minimal routine and spent more energy on fashion and clothes. I got started out working at Teen Vogue in fashion writing positions—I was around people who looked amazing and had their uniforms. So I also developed a routine—I would straighten my hair every day and had a bunch of ankle boots and dresses that I’d throw on quickly in the morning, hoping to get to the office really early. That’s hard when you’re not a morning person.

For a while, I was dealing with hormonal, stress-related acne. It was pretty painful, and it took a while to figure out how to get rid of it. I worked with a dermatologist at Tribeca Skin Center, Dr. Kil, throughout. I tried Spironolactone briefly, but it didn’t help—it made me kind of shaky. I got a couple of cortisone shots… Then finally we figured out the right products for me. There’s a face wash called Sumadan that I use once a day in the shower and it knocks acne out. It has sulfur in it, and if I were comparing it to another product it would be that industrial strength hand soap that you see at construction sites sometimes…that orange, gritty hand soap. It’s not a pleasant product to use but it makes a difference in my skin. In the morning if I’m not using that, I’ll use Milky Jelly, which is the total opposite in that it smells like roses and is a complete pleasure to use.

I also have some prescription benzoyl peroxide, but when I use that I really need something hydrating with it. I like Sisley’s All Day All Year—I use it all day, all year! It’s something I look forward to putting on in the morning—it smells as good as you’d want an expensive cream to smell, and it leaves your skin plumped up but primed for whatever you want to use next. My favorite sunscreen is Kiehl’s Super Fluid. At night, I like to layer serums. Recently I’ve been using Pai Copaiba & Zinc Perfect Balance Serum because my skin really likes zinc. My skin also likes Vitamin C, so I have a lot of products with that as an ingredient. When I need something heavier, I take Glossier Priming Moisturizer and mix in a couple drops of face oil. Vintner’s Daughter Active Botanical Serum is my favorite.

One thing that happens when I test too many products is that my skin gets congested. The only thing that helps is extractions, so I’ll get a facial a couple times a year, usually when the seasons change. Last year, I started going to Shen Beauty in Brooklyn to see Carrie, who’s the aesthetician there. One thing that she pointed out was that I was getting milia from haphazard eye cream application. Like, I was using a couple different eye creams and wasn’t being precise—I know that you’re supposed to use those little spatula-type things to apply the cream only on certain areas, but they’ve always just been kind of frustrating to me. I actively throw them out—I politely decline that step. Carrie showed me how to apply with my hands but keep everything under control. Now I use a little bit of Chanel Le Lift Creme Yeux because it has a more gel-like consistency. And only right under my eye.

I love to scrub my body. Aesop Geranium Leaf Body Scrub is nice because it’s got a texture that makes you feel like you’re doing something. But what I really like to do is dry brush. I have one in the shower, and that’s because you’re supposed to dry brush before you get in the shower, which I usually forget…so I compromise by trying to do it in the shower, which obviously is not dry brushing. But I’ll do a little bit of that and then I usually dry brush after I get out while I’m putting on all my nighttime body products.

My skin stays moisturized longer when I start with a body oil—I usually use the Neutrogena Body Oil that everyone loves. So I’ll grease up, then I use body lotion. Clarins Body Lift Cellulite Control is for reducing and preventing cellulite and I believe in it. It came with a manual that explains how you can do different stretches and basically apply any body product in a way that will be better for lymphatic drainage and make your legs feel a little leaner, and this process takes at least 20 minutes. It’s not realistic to do every day. But I have done it a few times, following these exact instructions. You feel amazing afterwards.

A lot of the time, I actually end up using face products on my body. There’s Kate Somerville DermalQuench Liquid Lift + Retinol, which I think makes a huge difference on my décolletage. It makes your skin look tighter and reduces discoloration. And it’s also very fun to spray because it comes out as a foam.

Over the last year I’ve gotten much more comfortable with experimenting with my hair—but I think I want to be blond forever. Naturally, I’m dirty blond, but I’ve lightened my color a lot with highlights. I go to Colleen at Spoke & Weal and it’s honestly really fun to go every six weeks or so and hang out with her and work on my hair. The highlights have been great for my texture—I actually prefer to let my hair air dry now. Every night I wash it, usually with the Five Wits Rejuvenating Cleanser and Balancing Conditioner from Blackstones, and spray in some leave-in conditioner from Verb. Then I sleep on it. In the morning, nine times out of 10, I use dry shampoo to style it. My favorite is Elizabeth and James Nirvana Black, which smells so strongly that it can take the place of perfume. I put it around my part and a little throughout the length of my hair. Then I let it sit before I brush or do anything else, so it actually has a minute to add some body. Then there’s this great new product from Hairstory called Undressed, and I think the only thing to classify it as is a conditioning beach spray. It’s nice because it doesn’t dry you out, but also adds texture—if I could bottle the texture of my hair, it would end up being this product.

My two main fragrances are Rose 31 from Le Labo and Balenciaga Paris Eau de Parfum L’Édition Mer. I’m not afraid of fragrance, but I also know that I’m making good choices, because whenever I get in an Uber, the Uber driver’s like, ‘You smell so good!’ I prefer woodsy scents, but they also have to feel fresh and not too heavy. Actually I was pretty obsessed with Old Spice for awhile—I always liked going to the drugstore and picking from all of the manly options…. They all smell better than women’s deodorant. But lately I am on a Mitchum kick. It’s really good.

My lip balms are all with my makeup instead of my skincare because that’s usually my first step. Glossier Balm Dotcom is the most moisturizing salve, and I use it on my lips, brows and cuticles. But for lips I also like Dior Lip Glow when I want something that brings out a bit of color. I’m into lipstick too, but sometimes I don’t want to wear lipstick—I just want something that’s sheer. Lip Glow makes you look very rosy and bright, and it’s easy to apply—which is more than I can say for my eyeshadow. I’m no good at that, or eyeliner, or any eye product really. The eyeliner that’s hardest to mess up is the Tom Ford Eye Defining Pen. Sometimes I’ll just use bronzer on my lids because it takes five seconds but looks good. Benefit’s Hoola is the best because it doesn’t have any shimmer in it. Lately I’ve been finding lots of warm-toned eyeshadows that I like—the Four Couleurs Les Cendres Palette from Guerlain has this darkish, warm-but-smoky color that I use a lot. And then the Hammamet duo from Nars is a duo with peach and a bronzey copper color with shine. I like the bronze—it’s a metallic that’s toned down a bit.

My lashes are pretty short so it’s tricky to find a mascara that comes attached to a brush that works for me. For a long time I used Maybelline Lash Discovery because the brush is so small—I’m really into Maybelline eye products in general. Lately I have gotten into slightly bolder lashes though, and have been loading on the Nars Audacious Mascara. I’ve also been trying to grow my lashes out. I’m using Lashfood Phyto-Medic Eyelash Enhancer—I don’t know if it’s working because I haven’t been tracking it consistently enough, but I do I feel like it’s working…maybe I’ll end up trying extensions at some point.

For concealer, I use Sisley Phyto-Cernes Eclat in 2 under my eyes. It’s really nice because—do you remember those cooling rollerballs from Garnier? This one feels similar—really cooling. Then I use DiorSkin Star whenever I have acne. I mean, if I have any acne, ideally my preference is to not put any makeup on it, but if I feel like I need to, I’ll use this because I like that it has a little doe foot, and you can just kind of dab it on your spots.

On the rest of my face, I start with Glossier Perfecting Skin Tint in Light—it’s the first liquid makeup I’ve ever liked using. Usually things have felt too heavy so I’d skip this step entirely and use a little pressed powder and a lot of concealer instead. The Skin Tint looks like your skin, just more even-toned. Like optimized for HD. I always add some sort of highlighter like the Nars Multiple in Copacabana. Occasionally, I like a powder—something more white and icy, like the Becca Shimmering Skin Perfector, especially at night. The pressed Guerlain Meteorites is really good for going out, and it smells so good.

Last year, I traveled more than usual, so I’ve really improved my travelling beauty routine. The biggest thing I learned is to bring masks—they actually make a difference. I don’t mask on the plane, though I do moisturize a lot, pretty much starting as soon as I turn off that air vent that blows down on you from above. But then as soon as I get to the hotel, I’ll use the Sisley Express Flower Gel Mask because it only takes five minutes and you can let it sink into your skin, similarly to the Moon Mask—just wipe off any excess. I also realized that my eyes get puffy when I travel, so I bring a 100% Pure Bright Eyes Eye Mask. They have caffeine, which helps bring down the puffiness. And I’ll bring a sample fragrance to test because then I feel like I have a way to remember my trip! These mini bottles of Byredo cologne have been on a couple trips. I guess the only thing better than going back to the Bahamas is being able to remember it with a little Mister Marvelous.”

—as told to ITG

Claire Knebl photographed by Tom Newton at her home in Brooklyn on January 22, 2016. Claire is wearing a Rodebjer top and Rag & Bone jeans.

More Top Shelves from Team Glossier: Emily Ferber is an unapologetic disciple of the shower cap, Emily Weiss finally learns how to style her hair, and Annie Kreighbaum advises on the best photo-ready skincare. 

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Paola Kudacki, Photographer

“I grew up in Argentina in a little town an hour and a half away from Buenos Aires. My father was a painter and he used to do signage, but he was also painting as an artist. Ever since I was a child I was always drawing and painting and messing around with his pencils and brushes. For a while, I wanted to be a ballerina. I was obsessed with it and started studying, but one day in school, I was doing the long jump and I broke my leg. I was around twelve and I couldn’t try out for the ballet group in the theater with a broken leg. The doctor was like, ‘You’ll never be able to stand on your tiptoes again.’ I worked really hard to do that, but my dream kind of vanished.

Later on I started studying graphic design and art history in Argentina. To make money, I was teaching aerobics and tap dancing, and one of my students was the owner of an ad agency. She was like, ‘Why don’t you come? We’re doing this casting for Coca-Cola.’ So then I went and they liked me, so then I started to do some TV commercials. Through that, I met some photographers, one of whom asked, ‘Why don’t you come and help me with some tests that I’m doing?’ So then I helped him, I did a bit of styling, a bit of hair and makeup and that kind of opened my mind a little. I can put a few different ingredients that I know from my past—composition and lighting and my input as a woman—to create an image. I’d never taken pictures ever in my life, but I became obsessed with it.

Eventually I came to New York 15 years ago, and of course it was hard. I moved to Williamsburg when there was one restaurant, two bars, and that’s it. Nobody in the streets. But it didn’t matter because I was so excited about what I was doing. At the beginning, I was renting darkroom space…I remember a photographer asked me, ‘Oh, so where are you from?’ I told him, ‘Argentina.’ He’s like ‘Yeah, but you’re in New York City. If you throw a penny out of the window, you will hit a photographer in the head.’ But if you think that way, you better just die, because it’s not hope. But I think if you are passionate about something, that’s just an achievement. So many people don’t know what to do with their lives. And I think the passion also makes you keep going because you love something so much that it doesn’t matter that you’re eating rice for months or you have a dollar in your pocket for days. Your dream is not what you can do today. It’s for the future.

One of my first big shoots was for Interview. At that I had some pictures, but it was not the biggest portfolio with celebrities or anything…And then they called me back and said, ‘We have an assignment for you.’ It was to shoot Peter Sarsgaard, so then I was like, ‘Oh, OK, I’ll shoot at my place.’ So he came with his publicist, and it was kind of like a big deal, but for me, I mean…I was excited to shoot for Interview, and I knew he was a great actor, but I was just like, ‘OK, I’m going to do my thing…’ He’s wearing this denim jacket and as we’re shooting, and I’m like, ‘Oh, it would be great to have something else on it!’ So I turn around, and I see his publicist wearing this really weird brooch, and I say, ‘Oh, can I borrow that?’ So I took her brooch and put it on his jacket and took a picture. The story was going to be maybe two pages, and then they loved it so much that became like a spread of six pages. And from then on, I started to work more for them. And it’s funny because I saw the publicist recently and she was like, ‘Oh Paola! I remember that story, 14 years ago, and you took these pictures of Peter and you took my brooch and it was a magical moment!’

When I was around six I remember my mother would have perfect eyebrows, so I was like, ‘Oh, I need to have perfect eyebrows,’ so I painted them by hand and cut them with scissors because I didn’t know that you needed to pluck them. One centimeter was white, another was eyebrow, another was white–I looked sick! I really quickly went to sleep and my mother went to wake me up in the morning and she was like, ‘Oh my god! You’re sick! You’re losing your hair!’ So then I had to tell her that I just wanted perfect eyebrows. She had to put makeup in my eyebrows to fill the gaps because it looked like my face was falling apart. That was my first attempt at perfect beauty.

Now I like to do a badass cat eyeliner and mascara–kind of dirty. I curl my lashes with a Shu Uemura eyelash curler and put on Diorshow mascara, sometimes waterproof. I’ve used it for years. I tried to buy something else, but they don’t work! If you want thick lashes that stay curled after you curl them, I think it’s the way to go. The brush is really thick and if they try to sell you a brush that is really thin, it’s not going to happen. Then when the night comes I like to use black eyeliner and extend the edges, but it is very important that it’s really black with no blue to it because I like black. When I have pure black, I think it emphasizes the color of my eyes.

I was doing the YSL Touche Éclat, but now I use the Givenchy Mister Light Corrective Pen for concealer. It’s very light and it doesn’t wrinkle under the eyes. Sometimes when they are thicker, it starts accumulating makeup in the wrinkles and I think it looks terrible. Then I put on a little blush from Nars in Liberté and it gives you that excitement in the face where you have a bit of color. It’s enhancing and some people are like, ‘Oh, you’re so tan!’ But it’s just a little bit on the cheekbones.

For many years I was careless. I put on makeup in the morning and then at night I’d add on some pencil and lip balm. Then I’d go out very late, end up having sex and going to sleep with makeup on and waking up with it all smushy, and then just washing my face with whatever soap is there and keeping on going. All my friends were like, ‘What creams do you use?’ But I just used some soap because I thought it wasn’t that important. Some of my friends were like, ‘Maybe just use something for wrinkles around the eyes?’ So I bought this really expensive [cream]. I think it was Clinique’s Dramatically Different Moisturizing Cream—the yellow one, and All About Eyes Cream, the little one for the eyes. A lot of products were causing me to get a rash so I did a test that said I was allergic to gluten, dairy and soy—so I stopped using everything. But the real problem was what I was eating. I figured it out when one day I put some random cream on and nothing bad happened. I think people should consider this because so many times we think that it’s the cream or our skin, but the skin can represent what you eat. Now I can apply any cream I want!

For a while I was using only one serum. I shot the campaign for this YSL Forever Youth Liberator Serum and then they gave me some and I tried it and it was amazing. But the experts were like, ‘No, no, no, serum is not the answer.’ I love the texture of serum because I don’t like to feel like I’m wearing a cape of cream on my face. Now I have Belif’s The True Cream Aqua Bomb because it feels more like serum than cream. When I can’t take that, I travel with a serum from Boots No. 7–the Protect & Perfect Intense Advanced Serum that I get at Duane Reade.

For my eyes, I go for something expensive. I’m using the Shiseido Benefiance WrinkleResist24 cream, but before this, I was using La Prairie Skin Caviar Luxe Eye Lift Cream. The packaging needs to be good [Laughs]. They just need to feel good. A few times I did something that shouldn’t be allowed, but I put lip balm [under my eyes]. If it can heal the cracks in your lips…But you need to make sure it’s unscented because I tried a scented one and my eyes were full of mint scent.

I usually wake up and have a shower. Then I put the Nuxe Huile Prodigieuse on my body. It’s not super strong, the scent is so soft. It penetrates, but it also gives you a shine and it’s light. Sometimes if I am super dry, I have Biafine for my legs. It is supposed to be used for burns. I take it with me on set because if we are shooting in a weird location, people don’t protect themselves with sunscreen so I give them a little bit of this. If you have the great chance to have an aloe plant around you, you can just cut a piece and put it wherever and it’s the greatest thing ever. The bottom part of my legs gets so dry from wearing jeans and boots, so you put one coat of [Biafine] and the next day it is perfect. It’s not an everyday cream. And because I go to Mexico a lot, I’ve discovered Tiger Balm for mosquito bites. You rub a little on and don’t scratch it.

Mavala Scientifique Nail Hardener is magical for growing the nails. My niece discovered it when she was biting her nails and needed them to be longer. It smells a bit like garlic. Always painting and removing paint from your nails makes them weaker. It’s important to let them rest and not to paint them all the time.

My favorite fragrance, Bvlgari Omnia, was discontinued which was a problem because I always wear the same perfume. They came out with similar ones, but it’s just not the same. I had all my friends looking for something similar. One time, I was photographing Ben Gorham [from Byredo] and I told him the story and he was like, ‘Come to the shop and we will find you one!’ There’s one called Mister Marvelous that I’ll wear. Then I have the Coqui Coqui Maderas that my friends make. But still no Omnia—I’m in kind of a desperate situation.”

—as told to ITG

Paola Kudacki photographed by Tom Newton at her home in New York on September 5, 2015.

Pamela Hanson speaks candidly about trying Botox, Alex Prager loves a mud facial, and Inez van Lamsweerde takes beauty advice from Cyndi Lauper in The Top Shelf.

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